Гепатит С

[Photographer]

после успешного лечения, ПЦР не определяет наличие вируса. Присутствуют только антитела.

[Wild_Black_Cat]

Al-khv успешное лечение бывает, по моему, если не изменяе память, в 40 случаях из 100, это после консультации с практикующим по этой болячке врачем, но человек все равно остается ностителем

[Wild_Black_Cat]

смысл спорить, все равно не приятно отношение к людям которые являются даже носителем болячки

[erika1]

Что такое лаба Дила?

http://www.dila.com.ua/ У нас прием анализов в 10 поликлинике в 102 каб на первом этаже (возле цирка). Анализы везут в Киев. 7265302

[Wild_Black_Cat]

erika1 я когда в свое время обзванивала все больницы и поликлиники, чтоб сделать себе ПЦР мне все называли лабораторию мед академии

[seemann]

У матери гепатит С был. Вылечили бесплатно, но это было аж в 1995 году. Потом - или всю жизнь на таблетках, или посвящать жизнь лечению народными средствами. Мы выбрали второе, это для здоровья как-то получше, таблетки есть таблетки. НО - нужна серьезная материальная поддержка семьи, о том, чтобы ходить на работу прийдется, в принципе, забыть (при втором варианте), в нашем случае это было возможно. Зато не травишь себя печеночными таблетками и можешь себе позволить ВСЕ, и жирное, и алкогольное, имея вполне здоровую печень. Единственное условие - регулярное лечение народными средствами.

[Wild_Black_Cat]

seemann а сейчас это стоит очень дорого и долго, и работу бросить не всегда есть возможность

[Photographer]

У матери гепатит С был. Вылечили бесплатно, но это было аж в 1995 году. Потом - или всю жизнь на таблетках, или посвящать жизнь лечению народными средствами. Мы выбрали второе, это для здоровья как-то получше, таблетки есть таблетки. НО - нужна серьезная материальная поддержка семьи, о том, чтобы ходить на работу прийдется, в принципе, забыть (при втором варианте), в нашем случае это было возможно. Зато не травишь себя печеночными таблетками и можешь себе позволить ВСЕ, и жирное, и алкогольное, имея вполне здоровую печень. Единственное условие - регулярное лечение народными средствами.

Насколько я знаю, народных средств излечивающих не существует. Можно поподробнее, чем лечились и что показывает ПЦР
сейчас?

[seemann]

Насколько я знаю, народных средств излечивающих не существует. Можно поподробнее, чем лечились и что показывает ПЦР
сейчас?

Излечивающих, действительно, нет. Но поддерживающих печень в нормальном состоянии хватает.
Лечились до горя просто. Лимонами и растительным маслом. Можете мне возражать что угодно, как это с умным видом делают врачи, но после года безуспешного медикаментозного лечения это помогло на ура. Проходить чистку печени таким образом два раза в год, плюс еще какие-то штуки, точно их описать не смогу, в книге Малахова, по-моему, описано.
Повторюсь - можете кидаться тапками сколько угодно, но в моей семье это лечение вернуло человека к полноценной жизни.
Обследование - хз. Мы настолько разочаровались во врачах, что уже лет 10 ни на какие обследования не ходим, да и вообще к врачам. Я - исключение, на работе положено. А так, лучшее обследование - собственное самочувствие.

[Photographer]

seemann Недавно умерла знакомая, лет 55 было. До самого последнего времени чувствовала себя хорошо. О гепатите и не догадывалась. В итоге печень разложилась.

[erika1]

erika1 я когда в свое время обзванивала все больницы и поликлиники, чтоб сделать себе ПЦР мне все называли лабораторию мед академии

Лаба у нас новая всего 1 год, но на Украине уже 10 лет. Я там была на семинаре и все сама досконально выспрашивала (про обследование при гепатите С), так как эта проблема мне близка.

[Eugen2007]

Что такое лаба Дила?

У меня знакомые в этой лаборатории делали анализы на гепатит, были очень хорошие отзывы! Сайт, кстати, вот этот - http://www.dila.com.ua/, их телефон в Киеве - 8(044) 531 94 91. Сам там здавал анализы, только не на гепатит... - не очень дорого и профессионально.

[Harald]

Brief Report on Chinese Herbal Medicine Trial for Hepatitis C
and a Chinese Herbal Formula


The John Hunter Hospital in Australia has been running a sponsored trial on the use of a chinese herbal formulation as a treatment for HCV.

A number of people have enquired about this and the following is a letter from Dr R Batey , Director of Garstoenterolgoy at the hospital. It is a guarded statement released as prior to a paper being presented last week (september 96) in Adelaide Australia.

The following statement re: the trial was sent by Dr Batey:



Brief Report on Chinese Herbal Medicine Trial for Hepatitis C

The John Hunter hospital has now completed its trial of herbal medicine therapy for Hepatitis C. This was a placebo controlled trial of a tablet form of herbal extract for patients presenting with hepatitis C. There were 16 herbs in the tablet preparation and the proportions of the herbs used will not be made available until the results have been published in the scientific literature. Suffice it to say here, some of the herbs include Salvia, Paeonia and Ginseng root.

We took into the trial, patients who had not been treated with Interferon or patients who had relapsed following treament with Interferon. There were no other strict entry criteria apart from them having a definitive hepatitis C antibody and abnormal liver function test on at least 3 occasions.

Patients were treated with 5 tablets 3 times daily with either the active tablet or the placebo and a small number of patients who, at the end of six months of treatment on placebo, requested it, and they too received active tablets for a further 6 months. Our analyisis, therfore, includes all patients treated blind plus a small number who were treated, knowing that they were receiving the active tablet after their initial placebo treatment.

None of the patients had any severe adverse side-effects althought two patients withdrew from the trial because of side-effect symtoms, one of whom complained of palpitations which stopped on ceasing the tablets and one of whom had significant bowel symptomatology in the form of diarrhoea and bloating.

Overall, we found that compliance with the tablets was good.
Our results to date show show there were no effects of the medication on haematological parameters and that there was a fall in ALT in patients on active treatment. Six patients normalized their ALT during the treatment period but we have no evidence that any patient has been cured by the herbs.

At this stage of our analysis, it would appear that the medication has certainly done no harm and may well be offering some opportunity of minimising inflammation in the liver of patients with hepatitis C. We need to do more detailed analyisis or the results at this stage and I could certainly not recommend the present combination of herbs as the utltimate management for hepatitis C.

I look forward to publishing our completed results, once we have a full statistical analysis.

Thanks for your interest in the study

Yours Sincerely,

R.G. Batey
Director,
GASTROENTEROLOGY



Chinese Herbal Formula
NOTE: Most of these herbals have some known anti-viral properties, but these are huge doses. Please research this and check with your Dr. and practitioner before trying this, as they may be harmful to some. Herbal doesn't mean non-toxic. Also, I believe 'cure' means the same thing as 'responder' with IFN, ie: there are normal lft's or pcr, but no decrease in disease progression. I have not seen one case or heard of one case of 'cure' but suspected long term remission has been achieved by some methods.


In a report in the Chinese Journal of Integrated Traditional and Western medicine (1994), a claimed rate of cure of 56%, with most other patients showing improvements, was obtained when the following formula was administered to treat hepatitis C:

astragalus: 30 grams
salvia: 30 grams
forsythia: 30 grams
red peony: 30 grams
ho-shou-wu: 15 grams
crataegus: 15 grams
moutan: 15 grams
gardenia: 15 grams
dandelion: 15 grams
bupleurum: 10 grams

The herbs are decocted and the amount indicated here is taken in two divided doses each day, for three months. The formula can be modified to address specific symptoms by adding additional herbs (e.g. for pain in the liver area, loss of appetite, or abdominal distention). As with treatments for hepatitis B, the formula contains herbs for treating damp-heat (forsythia, gardenia, dandelion, and bupleurum), blood stagnation (salvia, red peony, crataegus, moutan), and deficiency of qi and blood (astragalus and ho-shou-wu).

Due to the long course of therapy, one may wish to substitute dried extracts: a dose of three teaspoons (9grams), three times daily of this formulation should produce similar response [about 27 grams per day of dried extracts is roughly equivalent to a decoction of 160 grams of crude herbs, somewhat less than is recommended in the above clinical trial; the patient cost of this treatment is about $500 per three month course]. some patients may experience loose stool or diarrhea in response to this therapy (e.g. ho shou wu, gardenia, and dandelion can act as laxatives), thus one may need to adjust the formulation somewhat if this reaction occurs andpersists. It is not known if good results can be obtained by substituting powdered herbs for the extracts. If one wished to substitute tablets (which are comprised mainly of powdered crude herbs), Salvia Shgou Wu contains the salvia (extract), astragalus, crataegus, ho-shou-wu and red peony, while Nuphar 14 contains the moutan, bupleurum, and gardenia, as well as additional salvia, and Red Peony Tablets contains the dandelion and forsythia, as well as some additional red peony (extract). The use of these tablets will result in less relative dosage of the herbs than in the decoction formula, but there are additional herbs that would be expected to support their actions. One might consume three tablets of each formula each time, three times daily [total: 27 tablets per day; patient cost is about $300 per three month course]. Using the tablets, one would expect to need a somewhat longer therapy than the higher dose decoctions or granules.
The dose of one or more of the formulas could be increased (e.g. to four tablets each time), if desired.

Until clinical work with hepC and Chinese herbs is carried out in the United States with available materials that are in a form suitable for administration, it may be difficult to convince medical practitioners and patients to try this method. Because the herbs are non-toxic, some patients may wish to utilize this therapy in place of, or in addition to, treatment by interferon. It is reasonable to begin collecting information from such patients to provide case histories in an effort to eventually develop a clinical trial.

OTHER CHINESE HERB THERAPIES FOR HEPATITIS C

Chinese medical treatment is often based on the model of treating hepatitis B.
Even though the viruses are quite different, the fact that the diseases are caused by viruses that ultimately damage the liver remains the same, and the herb therapies are thus similar in nature---at least until further diagnostic information is available. Hepatitis B is treated by herbs for the traditional categories of pathological disturbance labeled as damp-heat, qi and blood stasis, and for qi, blood, and yin deficiency.
Herbs are also given according to specific manifestation of the disease and underlying constitutional factors. Chinese tonic herbs have been shown to enhance interferon production and thus may substitute for interferon therapy (six months of alpha interferon injections is the standard procedure). Use of exogenous alpha interferon is often unsuccessful and, sometimes, there is a rebound of hepatitis C viremia after apparently successful treatment with this drug.

Herb therapy provides its effects through more mechanisms of antiviral action than simply increasing interferon, and it can be pursued for a longer time, due to absence of substantial side-effects. Cures for hepatitis B have been repeatedly reported in the Chinese literature and are accomplished by administering non-toxic herbs and vitamins.
ITM is currently involved in evaluating a formulation for treatment of hepatitis B in China.
A related protocol, being used in the U.S., is to consume 9 tablets of the Seven Forests Eclipta Tablets (or 4 of the larger tablets of White Tiger Baicalcumin) and 1 tablet of the White Tiger Quercenol each time, three times daily for 12 weeks; favorable responses for hepatitis B have been informally reported to ITM from both the American cases and the initial Chinese research (with 40 patients).

Other studies reported in the Chinese medical literature include these:

Chinese Journal of Integrated Traditional and Western Medicine for Liver Diseases 1994 4(1): 44-45.
The details of the treatment were not specified. Patients were given different formulas according to presentation of constitution and symptoms; typical herbs used included smilax, scute, dictamnus, salvia, epimedium, loranthus, and lycium fruit. Inosine and vitamins were also given orally. It was calimed that 20 of the 33 patients (60.6%) so-treated were cured.

Chinese Journal of Integrated Traditional and Western Medicine 1995 (15(4): 198-201).
The patients selected for treatment were suffering from aplastic anemia and had probably become infected by hepatitis C as the result of blood transfusions. The patients were treated according to differential diagnosis, with high-dosage herb combinations. As an example, for patients with symptoms such as pallor, lassitude, anorexia, nausea, abdominal fullness, and thin stools, the prescription included:
25 grams pseudostellaria,
25 grams astragalus,
10 grams citrus, 10 grams tang-kuei,
12 grams cardamon,
20 grams peony,
20 grams bupleurum,
25 grams polygonatum,
20 grams coix,
20 grams plantago seed.

Patients also received intravenous vitamins and other nutrient factors.
Among 21 patients with hepatitis C, 17 were reportedly improved by the treatment, but only 3 were said to be cured.

Chinese Journal of Integrated Traditional and Western Medicine 1995 (15(6): 371).
Patients who had a history of blood transfusion and who tested positive for hepatitis C were divided into two groups; the control group received alpha-interferon and the herb group received herbal decoctions (depending on presenting symptoms and signs). As an example, for those classified as presenting liver qi stagnation and spleen deficiency, the formula was:
15 grams bupleurum,
12 grams hoelen,
10 grams atractylodes,
10 grams codonopsis,
10 grams peony,
6 grams chih-ko,
6 grams gardenia,
6 grams curcuma,
5 grams licorice.

For those classified as having accumulated heat toxin, the formula was:
15 grams lithospermum,
15 grams hu-chang,
15 grams forsythia,
12 grams scrophularia,
12 grams gardenia,
10 grams raw rehmannia,
10 grams moutan,
10 grams red epony,
6 grams curcuma,
5 grams licorice.
Other herbs might be added to these base formulas for treating specific symptoms.
Among the 32 persons treated by herbs, 4 were cured and 25 others were improved. With the alpha interferon, 2 of 32 paitents were cured, and 19 others were improved.


Please send your experiences to me




CHINESE HERBAL MEDICINE IMPLICATED IN LIVER FAILURE

Another case of acute hepatitis and liver failure linked to consumption of the Chinese herbal medication, ma-huang, has been reported by clinicians at the University of California at San Francisco (UCSF).

A 63-year-old Chinese woman developed fulminant liver failure requiring transplantation following the use of the mixture of 12 plant species. She was one of three people who presented to UCSF with acute hepatitis associated with Chinese herbal medications during a two-month period.

"The patient transplanted did not have a history of chronic liver disease nor alcohol consumption," Eric M. Yoshida and colleagues from UCSF wrote ("Chinese Herbal Medicine, Fulminant Hepatitis, and Liver Transplantation," American Journal of Gastroenterology, December 1996;91(12):1647-164. "Viral studies, however, revealed seropositivity for hepatitis B surface antigen and hepatitis B core antibody (HBcAb) IgG; serum hepatitis B virus DNA was 511."

Lake et al. noted that serology for HBcAb IgM was negative. Serologies for hepatitis C, hepatitis A IgM, and hepatitis D, likewise, were negative.

When first admitted to the hospital, the woman was notably jaundiced and encephalopathic with no stigmata of chronic liver disease, and initial clinical impression was of fulminant viral hepatitis. A history was taken and the woman acknowledged taking the Chinese herbal medication ma-huang for a one-week period four weeks before admission.

Coagulopathy, jaundice, and encephalopathy progressively worsened requiring endotracheal intubation. Liver transplantation was performed and gross inspection of the explanted liver revealed marked collapse and very small regenerative nodules. Histologic examination of the explant revealed massive centrilobular necrosis with periportal bile ductular proliferation and inflammation.

The UCSF cases are not the first to implicate ma-huang in the development of acute hepatitis and liver failure. In 1996, Nadir et al. also reported such a case (Am J Gastroenterol 1996;91:1436-143.

"Our transplanted patient would have had a fatal outcome, which is infrequently reported, had an allograft not been available," Yoshida et al. wrote.

"The recent experience at UCSF demonstrates that liver injury from traditional Chinese medicines does not always resolve, and urgent transplantation may be required. It remains to be seen whether or not the recent cluster of cases at UCSF represents a trend that grows with the increasing use of 'alternative' medicines."

The corresponding author for this study is John R. Lake, Department of Medicine and Pathology, University of California at San Francisco.




Chinese Herbal Medicine as Effective as Conventional Therapy for Treating Cirrhosis in Rats
(Apr '96)

WESTPORT, Apr 08 (Reuters) - The authors of a study that evaluated the effectiveness of four therapies, one of which was traditional Chinese herbal medicine, in a rat model of cirrhosis have found that all four therapies were effective. Drs. Zhang Manna and Song Guopei of Jilin, China, and Dr. Gerald Y. Minuk, of the University of Manitoba, describe their work in the April issue of Gastroenterology.

First, they induced liver fibrosis in Wistar rats by administering carbon tetrachloride. Then the rats were randomized to one of four treatment groups: ciprofloxacin, selenium plus vitamin E, hepatic stimulator substance, and a traditional Chinese herbal medicine. The latter consisted of boiled turtle shell, pangolin scales, leeches, ginseng, thorowax and other "minor" ingredients.

Drs. Manna, Guopei and Minuk say all four therapies decreased the amount of hepatic fibrosis, but the most effective therapy was the Chinese herbal concoction.

Gastroenterology 1996;110:1150-1155.
http://hepatitis-c.de/herbal.htm

[Harald]

В предыдущем посте я дал статью с рецептами травяных сборов, применяемых в китайской медицине при лечении гепатита С.

[Wild_Black_Cat]

erika1к счастью у меня у меня не С

[seemann]

seemann Недавно умерла знакомая, лет 55 было. До самого последнего времени чувствовала себя хорошо. О гепатите и не догадывалась. В итоге печень разложилась.

у моего деда в палате умер мужик от воспаления легких, потому что его лечили от чего-то другого. Вы предлагаете доверять нашим врачам? Нет, увольте. Это не врачи, это убийцы.
Что касается печени, о ее состоянии можно судить уже хотя бы по цвету лица. Человек не может чувствовать себя хорошо, если у него разлагается печень, это НЕВОЗМОЖНО. Организм всегда дает сигналы, что с ним не в порядке. Ваша задача - распознать их. И не нужно никакой электроники.
Проверено. Работает.

[seemann]

В предыдущем посте я дал статью с рецептами травяных сборов, применяемых в китайской медицине при лечении гепатита С.

А я вот думал - ехать на Памир или в те края в горы или нет...
Теперь добавился еще один стимул поехать.
Спасибо.

[Wild_Black_Cat]

seemann знаете когда у меня активно начал развиваться вирус гепатита, то какие основные признаки - пожелтение кожных покровов, но есть так называемые скрытые формы, это как раз мой случай, так что определили что я заболела после того как прошла активная фаза и он перерос в вялотекующую форму. Так что болезнь не всегда можно определить по каким-то внешним признакам, а врачам, хотя бы некоторым можно доверять, но проверять

[Harald]

А я вот думал - ехать на Памир или в те края в горы или нет...
Теперь добавился еще один стимул поехать.
Спасибо.

Лучше, когда будешь в наших краях, заезжай к нам в гости. Мы делаем травяной ликер со стимулирующими печень травами. Два в одном флаконе -- и бухаешь, и тут же лечишься

[seemann]

seemann знаете когда у меня активно начал развиваться вирус гепатита, то какие основные признаки - пожелтение кожных покровов, но есть так называемые скрытые формы, это как раз мой случай, так что определили что я заболела после того как прошла активная фаза и он перерос в вялотекующую форму. Так что болезнь не всегда можно определить по каким-то внешним признакам, а врачам, хотя бы некоторым можно доверять, но проверять

Кроме цвета кожи, есть много признаков. Прежде всего, это реакция печени на жирное ну и т.д., то что больным печенью нельзя есть или пить, колики в печени при физических нагрузках, ну и многое другое. Какая бы ни была вялотекущая форма, ее можно распознать без обследования. Повторюсь - организм дает сигналы, наше дело их распознать.